phantasm Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I noticed playing Silent that when you hit TAB the word "BOT" appears in bright yellow letters instead of the normal "0" that other mods display. Is there any way to reset this to normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management gaoesa Posted August 19, 2011 Management Share Posted August 19, 2011 One problem with "0" ping is that it is not enough to separate bots from players when the g_truePing setting is on. I'm not sure every mod has changed the "BOT" to "0". The "BOT" derives from the ETPub source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonji Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 What's the difference between "BOT" title and ping "0"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantasm Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 What's the difference between "BOT" title and ping "0"? The difference is that when a new player joins a server, he wants to think he is on a server full of people. If he hits TAB and sees all "BOT" then he thinks he is being warned. It looks like a problem, or an error message. with "BOT" in bright yellow. Especially if they only play Jaymod where it just says "0". Some mods even go so far as to add fake ping to the omnibots. ECMOD sets them all to 48-52. but the omnibot developers have asked that people not do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management gaoesa Posted August 20, 2011 Management Share Posted August 20, 2011 We will not add anything that would fool players thinking they are anything else. I don't understand what you mean by warning. However, if a player would think some bot is a human and he happens to spec him, he would certainly think that player is cheating and noone does anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantasm Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 (edited) We will not add anything that would fool players thinking they are anything else. I don't understand what you mean by warning. However, if a player would think some bot is a human and he happens to spec him, he would certainly think that player is cheating and noone does anything about it.  The newest omnibots are far more human acting, and don't look like players with aimbots anymore, unless the server admin decides to crank them up in difficulty, which is a foolish thing to do. I think the bright yellow word "BOT" has an ominous look. If it was a different color (plain white), or a smaller font, or not capitalized, it would look better. Bots have an extremely negative connotation, and your BOT reinforces that connotation. It looks like you are trying to warn players there are omnibots here. That is a great way to keep a new server empty. So a server admin either runs no omnibots, and never gets any players at all, or has BOT in giant letters, which looks bad too.  Your mod will be less popular if you make it hard to populate new servers. I like your mod and I would prefer to use it instead of buggy laggy jaymod. Edited August 20, 2011 by phantasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management gaoesa Posted August 20, 2011 Management Share Posted August 20, 2011 We can change the look of the text of course. I don't think servers are empty because they have bots. Quite the opposite. However, the "BOT" doesn't need to be yelled. We can't change it to 0 because players sometimes have that as a real ping when the g_trueping is set. I think omnibot aiming looks allways like an aimbot no matter how easy they are. This is good also in my opinion. I have heard it many times players accusing easy omnibots from hacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management gaoesa Posted September 9, 2011 Management Share Posted September 9, 2011 I made couple tests. Please tell me what you think of these alternatives for the yellow BOT text. First one with * instead of the BOT. NPC stands for Non Player Character EDIT:One more. The bots don't have the ping field at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantasm Posted September 10, 2011 Author Share Posted September 10, 2011 I like the star or the no ping. The NPC makes me wonder what it stands for, so players might get confused too. No ping is best, star is fine too. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=EMP=Avery13 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I'm kinda in favor for the star. Looks clean and not empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management TheSilencerPL Posted September 11, 2011 Management Share Posted September 11, 2011 I like the star or the no ping. The NPC makes me wonder what it stands for, so players might get confused too.The star might also create confusion, don't you think? As for me, star or no ping - no ping is better imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management hellreturn Posted September 11, 2011 Management Share Posted September 11, 2011 Likes * too. With empty they will complain certain players don't have ping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management gaoesa Posted September 11, 2011 Management Share Posted September 11, 2011 One more test now using - in place of the ping. I'm mostly concerned that the players can still easily recognize the bots from the real players. So I would favour the empty or minus sign. Empty because it indicates, that the bot's are run by the server and therefore, they don't have pings. In my opinion the star has a bigger chance of confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management TheSilencerPL Posted September 11, 2011 Management Share Posted September 11, 2011 LOL, @gao, you read my mind. I was thinking about the minus too when I was answering earlier Minus is the best and it's easily linked with the fact that something is not accessible or it's not relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management hellreturn Posted September 11, 2011 Management Share Posted September 11, 2011 Like the minus idea too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonji Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 The minus sign looks pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management gaoesa Posted September 15, 2011 Management Share Posted September 15, 2011 The minus it is then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yatzithenazi Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 To be honest I always look for the little blue gray box that is where the flag should be. I have never seen a real player with that symbol and that is always the first thing I noticed when I look at a bots name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacteria Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Why not the bots give country flag of the server ? the ugly flags the now have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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